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One major US investment fund, Felicis Ventures, which has stakes in Australian companies including graphic design software maker Canva and employee survey tool CultureAmp, devotes 1 per cent of every cheque it writes to founder wellbeing. Others, such as the Australian firm AirTree Ventures, are big advocates of coaching. A new Sydney start-up, Medoo, is building a software platform to help coaches manage their business.

Canva’s founders Cliff Obrecht, Melanie Perkins, and Cameron Adams rolled out coaching across the business, which is known for its cooky corporate culture, after enjoying working with coaches themselves.Credit: Louie Douvis

And start-up founders aren’t the only ones seeking a guiding light. One coach, Hannah Field, says up to 30 per cent of her clients are venture capitalists. Junior staff are being coached too. Canva has a team of seven dedicated internal coaches who are putting about 140 of its staff through a three-month program at any point.

Sarah Nanclares, Canva’s coaching chief, says the program is available to everyone at the company, though it has a list of priority people. Even the public relations representative who organises the interview with Nanclares has recently done the program. A six-month waiting list shows how much Canva’s staffers like it.

‘Everyone’s a coach’

Unlike psychology, coaching is not a regulated medical profession. While there are private coaching courses and certifiers, they operate without government oversight. “Everyone’s a coach,” Nanclares says ruefully.

That means people with no qualifications can just decide to be coaches. “There’s a range of people in the industry, many of whom have had little or no training,” says Cavanaugh, the deputy director of Sydney university’s coaching psychology unit. “They just rely on their life experience to offer advice.”

Paulwyn Devasundaram (right) and Allard Van Helbergen, co-founders of Medoo, a coaching software company.

Paulwyn Devasundaram (right) and Allard Van Helbergen, co-founders of Medoo, a coaching software company.Credit: Steven Siewert

Paulwyn Devasundaram, a former Canva employee and co-founder of coaching software start-up Medoo, which has released its software in open beta form, acknowledges that bad coaches can cause problems but wants clients to still be able to pick people they relate to.

“I think certification is great because it provides structure, but at the same time, how do we make space for people who come into it from their life experience and want to share that without causing harm?” Devasundaram says.

“So I think there’s a balance to be found there.” She believes in coaching overall, which helped her rapidly learn to manage over 100 staff in her late 20s as Canva grew rapidly.

Nanclares, who has a background in alternative medicine, is wary of university coaching programs, seeing them as being orientated more towards work. “They often sit more in the human doing side of stuff, rather than the human being side of stuff,” she says. She is unafraid of heady language, wanting her coaches work to be “transformational” and help their charges with their “purpose [and] meaning not just for the work, but … as a contributor to the planet.” If that means delving into personal relationships, Nanclares is happy to go there.

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Nicole Karagiannis, another coach whose day job is as the HR head for health start-up Harrison.ai, has a similar bent. She will “go into that really deep level of inner child experiences, childhood experiences, and so on” if necessary. “That is the deep heavy lifting work. And yeah, I do go there. I do have the skills to go there,” Karagiannis says. “I’m not interested in solving the superficial question. It’s about the sort of the deep few layers beyond that.”

But she, and all the other coaches who spoke to this masthead for this story, are adamant that they are not veering into the territory of counsellors or psychologists. They emphasise their experience in different coaching techniques and certification. And they differentiate their own work from therapy on the basis that it is used to solve past problems whereas coaching is focused on accomplishing future goals, but without the same practical expertise that a mentor or teacher might provide.

“The statement that coaching is not therapy, while to some degree accurate, I think is often used as a protective device by coaches,” says Cavanaugh. In reality, he says, coaching often draws on methodologies first used for therapy and some clients may benefit from both. “There’s a sort of gray area between the two where therapy coaching overlap.” Good coaches, Cavanaugh says, maintain clear boundaries, operate under supervision and have extensive training.

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One major US investment fund, Felicis Ventures, which has stakes in Australian companies including graphic design software maker Canva and employee survey tool CultureAmp, devotes 1 per cent of every cheque it writes to founder wellbeing. Others, such as the Australian firm AirTree Ventures, are big advocates of coaching. A new Sydney start-up, Medoo, is building a software platform to help coaches manage their business.

Canva’s founders Cliff Obrecht, Melanie Perkins, and Cameron Adams rolled out coaching across the business, which is known for its cooky corporate culture, after enjoying working with coaches themselves.

Canva’s founders Cliff Obrecht, Melanie Perkins, and Cameron Adams rolled out coaching across the business, which is known for its cooky corporate culture, after enjoying working with coaches themselves.Credit: Louie Douvis

And start-up founders aren’t the only ones seeking a guiding light. One coach, Hannah Field, says up to 30 per cent of her clients are venture capitalists. Junior staff are being coached too. Canva has a team of seven dedicated internal coaches who are putting about 140 of its staff through a three-month program at any point.

Sarah Nanclares, Canva’s coaching chief, says the program is available to everyone at the company, though it has a list of priority people. Even the public relations representative who organises the interview with Nanclares has recently done the program. A six-month waiting list shows how much Canva’s staffers like it.

‘Everyone’s a coach’

Unlike psychology, coaching is not a regulated medical profession. While there are private coaching courses and certifiers, they operate without government oversight. “Everyone’s a coach,” Nanclares says ruefully.

That means people with no qualifications can just decide to be coaches. “There’s a range of people in the industry, many of whom have had little or no training,” says Cavanaugh, the deputy director of Sydney university’s coaching psychology unit. “They just rely on their life experience to offer advice.”

Paulwyn Devasundaram (right) and Allard Van Helbergen, co-founders of Medoo, a coaching software company.

Paulwyn Devasundaram (right) and Allard Van Helbergen, co-founders of Medoo, a coaching software company.Credit: Steven Siewert

Paulwyn Devasundaram, a former Canva employee and co-founder of coaching software start-up Medoo, which has released its software in open beta form, acknowledges that bad coaches can cause problems but wants clients to still be able to pick people they relate to.

“I think certification is great because it provides structure, but at the same time, how do we make space for people who come into it from their life experience and want to share that without causing harm?” Devasundaram says.

“So I think there’s a balance to be found there.” She believes in coaching overall, which helped her rapidly learn to manage over 100 staff in her late 20s as Canva grew rapidly.

Nanclares, who has a background in alternative medicine, is wary of university coaching programs, seeing them as being orientated more towards work. “They often sit more in the human doing side of stuff, rather than the human being side of stuff,” she says. She is unafraid of heady language, wanting her coaches work to be “transformational” and help their charges with their “purpose [and] meaning not just for the work, but … as a contributor to the planet.” If that means delving into personal relationships, Nanclares is happy to go there.

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Nicole Karagiannis, another coach whose day job is as the HR head for health start-up Harrison.ai, has a similar bent. She will “go into that really deep level of inner child experiences, childhood experiences, and so on” if necessary. “That is the deep heavy lifting work. And yeah, I do go there. I do have the skills to go there,” Karagiannis says. “I’m not interested in solving the superficial question. It’s about the sort of the deep few layers beyond that.”

But she, and all the other coaches who spoke to this masthead for this story, are adamant that they are not veering into the territory of counsellors or psychologists. They emphasise their experience in different coaching techniques and certification. And they differentiate their own work from therapy on the basis that it is used to solve past problems whereas coaching is focused on accomplishing future goals, but without the same practical expertise that a mentor or teacher might provide.

“The statement that coaching is not therapy, while to some degree accurate, I think is often used as a protective device by coaches,” says Cavanaugh. In reality, he says, coaching often draws on methodologies first used for therapy and some clients may benefit from both. “There’s a sort of gray area between the two where therapy coaching overlap.” Good coaches, Cavanaugh says, maintain clear boundaries, operate under supervision and have extensive training.

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